In a recent podcast for the Spelman College Museum of Fine Art, I had the pleasure to chat with Zanele Muholi and Renée Mussai for the opening of “Zanele Muholi: Somnyama Ngonyama, Hail The Dark Lioness,” which makes its United States premiere at the Museum. This conversation presents a rare and intimate peek inside of the working relationship between an artist (Muholi) and curator (Mussai) in contemporary art.

Muholi dives deep into the process of being in front of the camera, the importance of The Gaze in their work, and what it means to explore different levels of Blackness through language. Mussai shares what it feels like to return to Spelman College after previously arriving as the curator of “Black Chronicles II” in 2016 and reflections on curating “Somnyama Ngonyama, Hail The Dark Lioness.”

“Zanele Muholi: Somnyama Ngonyama, Hail the Dark Lioness” is on view at the Spelman College Museum Fine Art now through December 8, 2018.